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27 posts · Page 2 of 3I recently restored and upgraded the model (brushless motors etc) and thought that it would be great to take the model all the way down a lake in Devon to demonstrate it for him. Not having any local knowledge, I put a request on this excellent site, asking for help from local guys and must say that the site has some wonderful subscribers who came forward with help and support, especially Keystone. He was brilliant and greatly contributed to make the visit a great success. thanks, mate. My uncle and the other members present greatly enjoyed it, though the windy, cold conditions rendered the rum tot most acceptable!! The photos are self explanatory. The tug was there as a rescue boat if required.
Many thanks to all Model Boats' members who responded to my request for help.
- reilly4Warrant OfficerIt is a good thing that the realistic 15" shells splashes kept missing the MTB. 😉It is a good thing that the realistic 15" shells splashes kept missing the MTB. 😉Liked by Donnieboy and RNinMunich
- wunwingloPetty Officer 1st ClassI thought that they were depth charges!I thought that they were depth charges!Liked by rcmodelboats and watson220 and
A favourite model boat there must have been hundreds if not thousands made.
When I brought mine there was a choice between two sizes 36in (90cm) or 48in (120cm) and then you could choose between a wooden hull or a fibreglass hull. I went for the smaller boat with the fibreglass hull. this was back in the 1980s.
Background of the boat
The boats Perkasa class consisted of three motor torpedo boats built by Vosper (UK) for the Malaysian Navy as follows:-
Perkasa 150
Penula 151
Handalan 152
This model has 3 motors, port & starboard are Graupner 600s and one 700 type in the centre runs 3 ESCs front and rear guns operate via servos, with flashing LEDs down the barrels.
'Vosper 70ft Motor Torpedo Boat V-252 at Greenock in January 1942. in the background is the Flower class Corvette HMCS Trillium(K172)'
(Which makes me wonder if OUR Trillium served on her!?)
+ 2 others! Research continues, I have an interest in both types 😉
Cheers Doug 😎
- RowenCaptainHi Doug,Hi Doug, Hate to split hairs, but am researching a Brave Borderer for my next project. in doing so can advise that although the BB and the Brave Swordsman were sister ships, they had different superstructures. Have no idea why. The Perkasa was different again, it resembles the BB but it has an enclosed wheel house in front of what looks like a BB superstructure. This extended portion can be seen on the pictures. Sorry, as R.A.F in Canada, to disagree with you! Enjoyed the rest of your post though, it helped explain some of the export derivatives of the Brave class which I could not otherwise pin down. Rowen
Hate to split hairs, but am researching a Brave Borderer for my next project. in doing so can advise that although the BB and the Brave Swordsman were sister ships, they had different superstructures. Have no idea why.
The Perkasa was different again, it resembles the BB but it has an enclosed wheel house in front of what looks like a BB superstructure. This extended portion can be seen on the pictures.
Sorry, as R.A.F in Canada, to disagree with you!
Enjoyed the rest of your post though, it helped explain some of the export derivatives of the Brave class which I could not otherwise pin down.
RowenLiked by Inkoust and SelwynWilliams - RNinMunichFleet AdmiralHi Rowen, we're not splitting hairs! Together we are getting to the roots👍Hi Rowen, we're not splitting hairs! Together we are getting to the roots👍 I had also noticed the slight differences in superstructure; especially the aft part and the bridge top/screen. But I noticed these variations also in the Danish and other variants. Didn't want to overload the post with these as I thought it was long enough already😲 Seems some variations were introduced depending on the base variant it was ordered as MTB or MGB (most of which still had at least two torpedoes!). Since the Brave class were apparently very expensive to produce (which is why only two were built not the planned six?) the later variants were based on a cheaper export version, 'Felicity' type I think they were called. They were a little smaller but with similar performance and firepower to the Braves, some with two Perseus turbines instead of two but most with three as in the Braves, and cheaper to build with wood on alu frames instead of all metal. Usually classed as FPBs or FACs depending on armament. Summary; The Perkasa was not a generic class but a specific four ship class for the RMN. Basis for the hulls and superstructure design was the same as the Braves and Felicity but some 'poetic license' was taken with subsequent export order with variations even within classes. Comparing available (to me) pics again I now tend to agree with you that the rounded bridge of the model is more like the Perkasa class than the box-like bridge of Swordsman. 😲 BTW: in 1971 the RMN Perkasas were upgraded with SS12 missiles so there's another interesting variant for the aficionados 😉 Credentials: was not in the RAF (but Dad was!), but I worked with the RMN and the Surabaya shipyard (and various other bidders) on the design of the COMMS systems for the replacements for the Perkasa class and then their replacements, up to the current NGPV-2 (New Generation Patrol Vessel-Batch 2). interesting work and people. Also did some work on their new frigates and an auxiliary in the nineties. One thing I always did before embarking on such projects was to research the background of the navy involved, operational area and requirements and also the potential shipyard partners. Part of establishing confidence and rapport. 😉 Anyway - whatever; model-wise - if it looks right it probably is right! Main thing is fun planning, building and above all sailing, exchanges like this help us all a lot I believe. All the best Doug 😎
I had also noticed the slight differences in superstructure; especially the aft part and the bridge top/screen. But I noticed these variations also in the Danish and other variants. Didn't want to overload the post with these as I thought it was long enough already😲
Seems some variations were introduced depending on the base variant it was ordered as MTB or MGB (most of which still had at least two torpedoes!). Since the Brave class were apparently very expensive to produce (which is why only two were built not the planned six?) the later variants were based on a cheaper export version, 'Felicity' type I think they were called. They were a little smaller but with similar performance and firepower to the Braves, some with two Perseus turbines instead of two but most with three as in the Braves, and cheaper to build with wood on alu frames instead of all metal. Usually classed as FPBs or FACs depending on armament.
Summary; The Perkasa was not a generic class but a specific four ship class for the RMN. Basis for the hulls and superstructure design was the same as the Braves and Felicity but some 'poetic license' was taken with subsequent export order with variations even within classes.
Comparing available (to me) pics again I now tend to agree with you that the rounded bridge of the model is more like the Perkasa class than the box-like bridge of Swordsman. 😲
BTW: in 1971 the RMN Perkasas were upgraded with SS12 missiles so there's another interesting variant for the aficionados 😉
Credentials: was not in the RAF (but Dad was!), but I worked with the RMN and the Surabaya shipyard (and various other bidders) on the design of the COMMS systems for the replacements for the Perkasa class and then their replacements, up to the current NGPV-2 (New Generation Patrol Vessel-Batch 2). interesting work and people. Also did some work on their new frigates and an auxiliary in the nineties.
One thing I always did before embarking on such projects was to research the background of the navy involved, operational area and requirements and also the potential shipyard partners. Part of establishing confidence and rapport. 😉
Anyway - whatever; model-wise - if it looks right it probably is right! Main thing is fun planning, building and above all sailing, exchanges like this help us all a lot I believe.
All the best Doug 😎Liked by Gravedigger47 and SelwynWilliams
Fairmile D MTB623 belongs to a good friend. This boat was also featured in a previous video with my Fairmile D.
The lake was a bit choppy with realistic sea conditions.
The Vosper hull is built from balsawood and fibreglass. The upper deck and superstructure is from balsawood. The weapons and fittings are from brass, aluminium and plastic. The 20mm and gunner can rotate.
MGB623 is an MGB, flying the Norwegian flag and belongs to a good friend.
Mine is MTB741. it is powered by 2 Graupner Speed 700 12V motors with NiMH batteries. The 6 pdrs and 20mm guns can rotate. it has a balsa planked hull and fibreglass skin. Decks and superstructure are also balsa. Guns are from tinplate and brass.
- RNinMunichFleet AdmiralVery impressive 👍 well done both.Very impressive 👍 well done both. Great looking location as well.😎
Great looking location as well.😎Liked by reilly4 - boatyChief Petty Officer 2nd ClassExcellent boats with great scale performance. I like the Fairmile Ds as they are good subjects for modelling and at static displays they always attract a lot of attention.Excellent boats with great scale performance. I like the Fairmile Ds as they are good subjects for modelling and at static displays they always attract a lot of attention. Boaty😊
Boaty😊
Just want to share the launch of my 24th scale Perkasa torpedo. After various attemps it goes fast and in a straight line. Anyone tried making depth charges?
- RNinMunichFleet AdmiralBaking soda triggered some old memories, who else remembers the little plastic subs we used to get in Cornflakes boxes? 😉 I once toyed with the idea of making a bigger version, ca 10 -12 ". more important 'stuff' got in the way. Forgot all about it .... until now 😉Baking soda triggered some old memories, who else remembers the little plastic subs we used to get in Cornflakes boxes? 😉 I once toyed with the idea of making a bigger version, ca 10 -12 ". more important 'stuff' got in the way. Forgot all about it .... until now 😉 Yep, off the bat I could imagine a couple of ways of triggering them; there are loads of mini pressure switches on the market, or a simple diaphragm at one end of the can coupled to a micro switch or mechanical trigger. Adjustment would be very sensitive due to relatively small changes in water pressure in the first foot or so of wet stuff. Any deeper would be a waste of time, unless you only want to entertain the fish😲 Might also go off on the surface if the can hit the water diaphragm first😡 Whatever, lot of work (and expense?) for a one way trip🤔 Anyway, with my 1/72 scale DCs, approx. 12x5mm, I would need to resort to nano technology. But we should never stop dreaming! I've seen model patrol boats launching solid fuel missiles from the stern deck so 'Nothing is impossible' - that's maybe why I drive a Toyota😉 Cheers Doug 😎
Yep, off the bat I could imagine a couple of ways of triggering them; there are loads of mini pressure switches on the market, or a simple diaphragm at one end of the can coupled to a micro switch or mechanical trigger.
Adjustment would be very sensitive due to relatively small changes in water pressure in the first foot or so of wet stuff. Any deeper would be a waste of time, unless you only want to entertain the fish😲
Might also go off on the surface if the can hit the water diaphragm first😡
Whatever, lot of work (and expense?) for a one way trip🤔
Anyway, with my 1/72 scale DCs, approx. 12x5mm, I would need to resort to nano technology. But we should never stop dreaming!
I've seen model patrol boats launching solid fuel missiles from the stern deck so 'Nothing is impossible' - that's maybe why I drive a Toyota😉
Cheers Doug 😎Liked by SimpleSailor and marky - markyCommodoreoh the memories of fighting my brothers for the subs I think the five of us must have lived on cornflakes (other breakfast cereals are available) so we could have one each ,if memory serves I think there was also a baking soda stingray ,not sure if this was a freebie with cereal I seem to remember it being bigger.oh the memories of fighting my brothers for the subs I think the five of us must have lived on cornflakes (other breakfast cereals are available) so we could have one each ,if memory serves I think there was also a baking soda stingray ,not sure if this was a freebie with cereal I seem to remember it being bigger. Cheers Marky
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- wombatjamesLeading SeamanPly parts are router cut, as you see them in the build photos. Only the hull formers are balsa and you cut them out with a craft knife. 3mm balsa. Hull skins are 0.8mm ply and deck and cabin is 1.5mm ply. Gun bits and torpedos are provided as plain dowels so you have to do a little bit of scratch finishing. Comes with a very basic motor about 200 size and a simple tube, prop shaft and prop. For a little boat it has a lot going for it. Didnt glass hull, used ordinary PVA, sanding sealer, spray car high build primer, spray grey primer and gloss.Ply parts are router cut, as you see them in the build photos. Only the hull formers are balsa and you cut them out with a craft knife. 3mm balsa. Hull skins are 0.8mm ply and deck and cabin is 1.5mm ply. Gun bits and torpedos are provided as plain dowels so you have to do a little bit of scratch finishing. Comes with a very basic motor about 200 size and a simple tube, prop shaft and prop. For a little boat it has a lot going for it. Didnt glass hull, used ordinary PVA, sanding sealer, spray car high build primer, spray grey primer and gloss.
- ads90Warrant OfficerHI DaveHI Dave Yes, my ESC is a Tornado 50 Amp which is the same as my friend's one - in fact I bought it on his recommendation, however I usually use Mtroniks. Our motors are not the same but both have similar RPM at 12 volt. I have ordered 3 more props of varying sizes and pitch to see how it will perform - had I have seen my friend down the lake in the last few months since I have been building my Perkasa, I might have got the prop right to start with ! I don't think I will get a 'pass' to get down the lake before Christmas so hopefully it will not be too cold and freeze the lake again before I get a chance to try her out. Alan
Yes, my ESC is a Tornado 50 Amp which is the same as my friend's one - in fact I bought it on his recommendation, however I usually use Mtroniks. Our motors are not the same but both have similar RPM at 12 volt. I have ordered 3 more props of varying sizes and pitch to see how it will perform - had I have seen my friend down the lake in the last few months since I have been building my Perkasa, I might have got the prop right to start with ! I don't think I will get a 'pass' to get down the lake before Christmas so hopefully it will not be too cold and freeze the lake again before I get a chance to try her out.
Alan - ads90Warrant OfficerDown at the lake this morning. Boat is now complete with hand rails fitted and painted. 40MM 2-blade X type prop fitted and with the batteries moved back she went really well. The bow lifted well out of the water and got on the plane very easily - would not want or need to go any faster.Down at the lake this morning. Boat is now complete with hand rails fitted and painted. 40MM 2-blade X type prop fitted and with the batteries moved back she went really well. The bow lifted well out of the water and got on the plane very easily - would not want or need to go any faster. Alan
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