Ron, On having a good look at the kit picture, one can just see the truck of the aftermast and gives the impression of being very slightly smaller, looking at others, including the video posted by Cash of actual models, it definitely looks as if it is slightly taller, But, hey, who cares, make it whatever length that suits you. If I was building her, I would make the after mast about two thirds of the height of the mainmast and rig her as a Bermudan ketch.
Cheers, Nerys
Ron, On having a good look at the kit picture, one can just see the truck of the aftermast and gives the impression of being very slightly smaller, looking at others, including the video posted by Cash of actual models, it definitely looks as if it is slightly taller, But, hey, who cares, make it whatever length that suits you. If I was building her, I would make the after mast about two thirds of the height of the mainmast and rig her as a Bermudan ketch.
Cheers, Nerys
When the winds before the rain, soon you may make sail again, but when the rain's before the wind, tops'l sheets and halyards mind
Neyrs, when I look at the photo from the kits advertisement it does appear that the mizzen is lower. Not by much though...
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Neyrs, when I look at the photo from the kits advertisement it does appear that the mizzen is lower. Not by much though...
Hi Cash, Bruma is a handsome looking vessel, lovely comfortable cruising boat. The kit builds her as a schooner, albeit they don't do anything about sails, though it is obvious she has the gear to set them. However if I was building her, I would cut down the height of the after mast and rig her as a ketch. I think she would look better balanced.
Cheers, Nerys.
Hi Cash, Bruma is a handsome looking vessel, lovely comfortable cruising boat. The kit builds her as a schooner, albeit they don't do anything about sails, though it is obvious she has the gear to set them. However if I was building her, I would cut down the height of the after mast and rig her as a ketch. I think she would look better balanced.
Cheers, Nerys.
When the winds before the rain, soon you may make sail again, but when the rain's before the wind, tops'l sheets and halyards mind
Griss, Not having seen a Bruma hull, I did not know what she had underwater but when I suggested that she would probably need a keel of sorts to help her sail, I was guessing that there was nothing there. Think that problem could be easily overcome with a little bit of thought and lead.
Cheers, Nerys
Griss, Not having seen a Bruma hull, I did not know what she had underwater but when I suggested that she would probably need a keel of sorts to help her sail, I was guessing that there was nothing there. Think that problem could be easily overcome with a little bit of thought and lead.
Cheers, Nerys
When the winds before the rain, soon you may make sail again, but when the rain's before the wind, tops'l sheets and halyards mind
That's interesting Cash because a true motor sailer would not be a fast boat, the hull would be compromised to a shape that would enable reasonable performance under both sail and power. Motor sailers are often described as having 50% sailing ability and 50% motor performance, but that's a bit unfair really because they invariably make good comfortable cruisers.
I'm sure if Ron or anyone else was to build her and rig her properly, they would not be disappointed as long as they were not expecting her to plane under power or perform like a racing yacht.
Cheers, Nerys
That's interesting Cash because a true motor sailer would not be a fast boat, the hull would be compromised to a shape that would enable reasonable performance under both sail and power. Motor sailers are often described as having 50% sailing ability and 50% motor performance, but that's a bit unfair really because they invariably make good comfortable cruisers.
I'm sure if Ron or anyone else was to build her and rig her properly, they would not be disappointed as long as they were not expecting her to plane under power or perform like a racing yacht.
Cheers, Nerys
When the winds before the rain, soon you may make sail again, but when the rain's before the wind, tops'l sheets and halyards mind
Might be right Nerys. Under power she’s leisurely at best, almost as if it’s an auxiliary motor. Granted, I’ve only seen her in the water one time, and it might be that Larry was taking it easy as she’s quite an old build...but she would look interesting under sai, that’s for sure.
Might be right Nerys. Under power she’s leisurely at best, almost as if it’s an auxiliary motor. Granted, I’ve only seen her in the water one time, and it might be that Larry was taking it easy as she’s quite an old build...but she would look interesting under sai, that’s for sure.
I've just had another look at the photos of 'Bruma' and it looks as if the after mast is as tall as, if not taller than the foremast in which case, she should really be designated a schooner. In this case the aftermast becomes the mainmast setting the mainsail rather than the mizzen as in ketch. The other mast remains the foremast. Looking at that hefty bowsprit and what looks like halyards coming down to the end of the topmast forestay (to end of bowsprit) and the forestay (the inner stay, to the stem), I think Mantua are intending her to sail, but not saying so.
Cheers, Nerys
I've just had another look at the photos of 'Bruma' and it looks as if the after mast is as tall as, if not taller than the foremast in which case, she should really be designated a schooner. In this case the aftermast becomes the mainmast setting the mainsail rather than the mizzen as in ketch. The other mast remains the foremast. Looking at that hefty bowsprit and what looks like halyards coming down to the end of the topmast forestay (to end of bowsprit) and the forestay (the inner stay, to the stem), I think Mantua are intending her to sail, but not saying so.
Cheers, Nerys
When the winds before the rain, soon you may make sail again, but when the rain's before the wind, tops'l sheets and halyards mind
Mantua describe her as being 'Panart Bruma Open Cruising Yacht' and the kit is listed by Cornwall M B as being temporarily unavailable.
I think she could be an interesting boat to build but I definitely think she should have sails. I haven't seen the plans but I somehow doubt if she would have a suitable keel for sailing, but I'm sure, with a bit of ingenuity that could be arranged
Cheers, Nerys
Mantua describe her as being 'Panart Bruma Open Cruising Yacht' and the kit is listed by Cornwall M B as being temporarily unavailable.
I think she could be an interesting boat to build but I definitely think she should have sails. I haven't seen the plans but I somehow doubt if she would have a suitable keel for sailing, but I'm sure, with a bit of ingenuity that could be arranged
Cheers, Nerys
When the winds before the rain, soon you may make sail again, but when the rain's before the wind, tops'l sheets and halyards mind
Neyrs suggested the sails needed to rig it for sailing. I think it would look great under sail!
Thanks for locating the photos.
Found a pic, it’s from about a year and a half ago
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My buddy Larry has one of these, I think it’s a “Bruma” by Mantua. The father of a local hobby shop owner built one years ago, and it was on display behind the counter. When the shop started to close, the Bruma was put up for sale and Larry bought her, at least that’s the story I remember. I have pics of her somewhere on this iPad, I’ll try to find them and post a few.
My buddy Larry has one of these, I think it’s a “Bruma” by Mantua. The father of a local hobby shop owner built one years ago, and it was on display behind the counter. When the shop started to close, the Bruma was put up for sale and Larry bought her, at least that’s the story I remember. I have pics of her somewhere on this iPad, I’ll try to find them and post a few.
Hi Ron even if you don't build her it is a good looking boat that someone else may look at and want to build.
I think there are many boats I would like to build but cost and space to put the boats away puts most builds on the back burner.
The boats I have most enjoy have been my scratch builds.
As you I am undivided on what I may build next as golf season comes first and a boat to build is a winter project.
Rick
Hi Ron even if you don't build her it is a good looking boat that someone else may look at and want to build.
I think there are many boats I would like to build but cost and space to put the boats away puts most builds on the back burner.
The boats I have most enjoy have been my scratch builds.
As you I am undivided on what I may build next as golf season comes first and a boat to build is a winter project.
Rick
Rick, it is on my mind, but no decision yet. I have four sailboats and five powered vessels. The harbour is rather full but for some folks on this website, putting something out there can sometimes spark an interesting outcome.
Generally I do not build from kits, as most of my “collection “ have been researched, then drawn up on CAD and scratch built. It saves on the pocketbook.
My friend in Toronto, Don Sutton, sold me two of his boats which he had built from kits, the Jolly Jay, and the Midwest, Lobster Yacht. The Jolly Jay is sturdy and came with a transmitter ready to go which the grandsons will play with from time to time.
The Lobster Yacht has not seen water in nearly two years! Nor has the M12 sailboat the 42” hull with a weight of 16 lbs. Hope to get it in the water again in two weeks when I take all my sailboats up to my friends in Barry’s Bay.
Rick, it is on my mind, but no decision yet. I have four sailboats and five powered vessels. The harbour is rather full but for some folks on this website, putting something out there can sometimes spark an interesting outcome.
Generally I do not build from kits, as most of my “collection “ have been researched, then drawn up on CAD and scratch built. It saves on the pocketbook.
My friend in Toronto, Don Sutton, sold me two of his boats which he had built from kits, the Jolly Jay, and the Midwest, Lobster Yacht. The Jolly Jay is sturdy and came with a transmitter ready to go which the grandsons will play with from time to time.
The Lobster Yacht has not seen water in nearly two years! Nor has the M12 sailboat the 42” hull with a weight of 16 lbs. Hope to get it in the water again in two weeks when I take all my sailboats up to my friends in Barry’s Bay.
Yes, Ron, looking at the standing rigging, it would indicate that she would be rigged as a Bermudan ketch. Jib, staysail, triangular mainsail and triangular mizzen. The horizontal rigging between the masts would not exist, but there would be a wire shroud going between the tops of the two masts. This would be to act as a forestay for the mizzen. In the full size version she would be classed as a motor sailer and expected to have a reasonable performance under sail and power. In reality, she would most probably be motored to windward and sails would be set downwind and on a reach.
Cheers, Nerys
Yes, Ron, looking at the standing rigging, it would indicate that she would be rigged as a Bermudan ketch. Jib, staysail, triangular mainsail and triangular mizzen. The horizontal rigging between the masts would not exist, but there would be a wire shroud going between the tops of the two masts. This would be to act as a forestay for the mizzen. In the full size version she would be classed as a motor sailer and expected to have a reasonable performance under sail and power. In reality, she would most probably be motored to windward and sails would be set downwind and on a reach.
Cheers, Nerys
When the winds before the rain, soon you may make sail again, but when the rain's before the wind, tops'l sheets and halyards mind
What would the sails look like for this vessel? Triangular? Plus two jibs?
I have only seen a blog on another website for building this vessel, and he added two motors.
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