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Started by froggyt996
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#12

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Thanks Dave! I'm glad Im not the only one who could see the potential for a problem with the initial details.
It was the simply "asking" people that they had insurance cover that got the hairs standing on end on the back of my neck.

Model boat club regatta's and events all have "small print" to read and its a fact these days that insurance has to be taken seriously.

I too, would strongly suggest that they reconsider the title of the club, so its has no suggestion of actually being anything to do with actually sailing of model boats, and remain as an electronic forum/gallery. IF they are not intending to look at the running of the club in a more serious and thorough manner.

More thought and it could go well online..
Best wishes.

Gregg
Secretary: Chasewater Model Boat Club.
http:chasewatermbc.blogspot.com/
"The chances of anything coming from Mars are a million to one they say...."
#11

new club

HI Gray
Like Greg I have concerns regarding Public Liability. its a fact of life that incidents occur, especially where the public have access, I am also a club secretary and insurance is included in our membership fee.
Reading your club aims it seem to me that you are acting more in the role of a Forum and depository of pictures for like minded Vintage Model Boaters, with information about events where like minded modellers can meet.
I can understand your use of the word Club as this indicates a level of belonging and comradeship. However as you do not propose to have a committee you are not actually formulated as a Club.
Your aims are to be applauded, but perhaps you should consider using a different word to "Club" - possible Association or perhaps drop the word altogether.
You will need to be very clear that you are not organising or running any event you attend. I am assuming you will advise your members that a certain event is taking place and Vintage Model Power Boaters will be attending.
Good luck with the venture. 😀
Live long and prosper

Dave
#10

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HI Greg

In the legal sense it is not a club as we don't have a committee, rules etc etc. All we point out to people is that there is no club insurance, so they need to have their own to sail anywhere. We are a group of likeminded boaters who like old boats and want to share our passion. The focus is a website showing photo's of 'members' baats and links to other websites of interest. We also have a forum to discuss the same.

Regards,

Gray.
#9

new club

You are still missing the fact that even as a club that has no insurance, you must take copies of ALL members insurance cover and keep on club files. Otherwise your committee members are fully liable for any liability claim that arises, simply because a club member "ticked a box" to say he had insurance you you never bothered to clarify and check.

Simply relying on someone else does not take the liability away, far from it in a court of law.

As I said before, in this day and age, there is no simple plain sailing just for the fun of it, I run a club and know exactly what is needed to be done, especially where councils are concerned as they require copies of liability insurance to be kept on their own files in case of an incident, so unless you keep copy, how are you going to pass these on when necessary?

I am only trying to guide you in forming the club and ensuring that ALL bases are fully covered, its no good trying to back track once something has occurred, its too late then!

BMPRS cover may be £10, but you are quoting MPBA at a similar fee, I suggest you check first before quoting, you will find it somewhat higher.
Best wishes.

Gregg
Secretary: Chasewater Model Boat Club.
http:chasewatermbc.blogspot.com/
"The chances of anything coming from Mars are a million to one they say...."
#8

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HI Greg

What we are saying is that if you wish to sail, you must have your Iown insurance as the club does not have insurance cover.

I understand from a committee member of the BMPRS that you cna join them and have insurance cover for £10.00.

I hope this clarifies this.

Regards,

Gray 😊
#7

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I presume that as the years roll on, you will be updating the age of the boats you will allow in to join, as setting the limit at 1980 now will get a little sparce in a few years time, so why not simply say minimum of 32 yrs old , it amounts to the same and keeps pace with time too.

Could you also specify exact fee you can get MPBA insurance for, as "similar amount" is vague and I woiuld suggest is a little higher than you are suggesting as an equivalent to £10.

To cover your club legally, by stating you do not need to see members insurance details, but as to confirm such is again "vague" and would suggest you actually ask joining members to send copy to your club, to ensure that adequate cover is valid. what you dont want is for someone to click a box and say they have cover, when actually they are not covered on another clubs water for example, then your club has to pick up a third party liability claim, running in to £1000's.
"duty of care" and liability have a lot of meaning these days and organising and running a club that uses other peoples water for events can mean a lot of paperwork has to be covered and it is a responsibility of the club to ensure that every eventuality is covered.

unfortunately, sailing just for fun or leisure these days does not go without a lot of background checking and paperwork.
Best wishes.

Gregg
Secretary: Chasewater Model Boat Club.
http:chasewatermbc.blogspot.com/
"The chances of anything coming from Mars are a million to one they say...."
#6

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HI Gray
I wish you the best of luck with your venture. Glad to hear you advocate insurance, and most clubs now offer this as part of their membership fee.
Live long and prosper

Dave
#5

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HI Dave

Can I put your mind at rest, we are not asking you for your details. All we are asking for when you join is for your name and photo's of your boats. We ask that you have your own insurance for when you go to show/meetings but we are not asking to see your insurance details but that you confirm that you have insurance as the club does not provide insurance. There is no joining fee. We are setting up a members page where we will put a photo of you with one of your boats. We are also trying to set up a forum so you can post whatever you like and keep in contact with other members about shows etc that you are attending. Our aim is to keep vintage boats alive and give members somewhere to exchange information etc all in one place. if you do not already have insurance you can get insurance by joining the BMPRS for £10.00, the MPBA for a similar sum, the BMFA for £16.00 for non-flying insurance and various other places. if you are going to the Funday at Burton tomorrow, you can have a word with me there.

The email box that pops up is for you to complete which will then email us to the clubs email address.

Regards,

Gray 👍
#4

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Like Ian I have looked at your site and agree there are some very Impressive pics and videos. I can understand the aim of the club, but how do you join? its a great idea to bring like minded modellers together, but how do you identify yourselves to one another? An email box keeps appearing but without any instructions as to its purpose. Sorry froggy but with all the spam about I am very careful how and with whom I share my details.
Live long and prosper

Dave
#3

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all you need to do is this to join there are no joining fee and the model cannot be older than 1980.

Anyone can join this club, all we ask is that you have
insurance of some sort which covers you at meetings/shows and we also would like you to send us photos of your model and a
description of it for the club website.
#2

new club

Nice idea and very interesting website with fascinating photos and videos. I emailed to find out about membership but just got exactly the same info as above sent back, so not quite sure what the point of inviting us to email is. it says anyone can join- but how!?
#1

new club

Take a look at this
Vintage Model Power Boat Club

The main focus of the club Is about older models of boats which are powered In any form such as some early models were Rubber, Steam and Clockwork and later on they where Glow, Diesel, Petrol and Electric. Our goal Is to get together with other like minded modellers and help the models of yesteryear to continue to be enjoyed and to keep these models alive.
We are a group of people who meet at some shows and events to get together with our models and have a bit of fun. You do not have to attend meetings that other members do, although It would be good to see your boats on the water or on our club stand. Members In the different regions of the UK could arrange to meet at meetings/shows In their own region.
We do not have any club water as most of us are In other model boat clubs. Anyone can join this club, all we ask Is that you have Insurance of some sort which covers you at meetings/shows and we also would like you to send us photos of your model and a description of It for the club website.

The Models

The models should be scratch built from a plan or built from a kit or a model that has been ready built by a manufacturer of the
vintage type of model which Is no later than 1980. If It's a kit, scratch built or restored after the above date this will be ok but It
must be the type of model which would have been or still Is powered. We are also happy to have models that are from
reproduction kits of pre 1980 models.

Please visit our website at www.vintagemodelpowerboatclub.co.uk or email (Email Removed - PM Only)

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