Favorite Film

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#59

Favorite Film

"Question time... On board HM Ship...
Who am I talking too....
A Nozzer,
A Greenie
A Pinky
Buffer
Josser
Scab lifter
Bunts. "
I don't know, nor would I like to meet any of them....🤣🤣🤣🤣
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#56

Favorite Film

I will let others answer that first but I will add a couple more to it

Who is the Jimmy
Who is a chockhead
Who is Clubs
Who is a Royal
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#55

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Question time... On board HM Ship...
Who am I talking too....
A Nozzer,
A Greenie
A Pinky
Buffer
Josser
Scab lifter
Bunts.
If it don't fit, use a hammer to make it fit....
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#54

Favorite Film

Aye Aye

Thanks a lot Pat, I would never have figured it out on my own.

But Aye Aye, what does it literally mean?
It doesn't translate with any word, is there a synonym in English?
Was it an actual response to the command or is it just cinematic?
If it was a real response, is it still used today or has it fallen into disuse? What response has it been replaced by today?
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#53

Favorite Film

The Term you are looking for Alessandro Is Aye Aye Sir - An offiver will outline his order then say Make It So to which the recipient will say Aye Aye Sir
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#52

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Greetings to all ship modelers.

As I said, at Nick's suggestion, I re-watched the entire Hornblower series (there are eight episodes in all, can you confirm?).

I still have a strong curiosity that I have not been able to resolve on my own.
I hope Nick, Pat and the others can help me.
What exactly do officers and crew members say in English when they answer affirmatively and confirm an order from a superior?

They are two very short words.
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#48

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Yes, Hms Campbeltown, formally USS Buchanann, one of the original lease lend four stackers...
If it don't fit, use a hammer to make it fit....
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#46

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Just remembered another! The Gift Horse with Trevor Howard. The story of the St Nazaire Raid, where the RN drive an old four stacker in to the lock gates of an important drydock...
If it don't fit, use a hammer to make it fit....
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#45

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Alan Turin thought of the concept of getting electrical machines to do relative task and calculations
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#43

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Doug, where did Alan Turing fit into Collossus?

Personally, I think "The Cruel Sea" is perhaps the best convoy escort movie yet. The little boys wer ethe work horse for too many years, yet the DD's got a lot of glory for showing up for far too short a time.
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#42

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Thanks Pat.
No I didn't know that. I believe they had two originals, but they were dismantled in 1960😭.
I was at GCHQ in 1981 (or thereabouts), what a kerfuffle getting in and out🙄
Didn't know about Lorenz or Colossus back then.
I was there to demonstrate a fast scanning receiver, 10kHz to 1GHz, and discuss applications.
Pretty nippy for those days.

As far as I know the recreated Colossus is in the Bletchley Museum, in Block F where one of the ten originals was.
Doug😎
Young at heart 😉 Slightly older in other places.😊 Cheers Doug
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#41

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Thanks for the tip Commodore👍
I'll look for that. Wonder if they do BluRay version?

Doug😎
Thinks🤔
Cash is building a 'Flower' as in Greyhound and Jumpugly has an excellent freighter.
Maybe we could get them together, and anyone with a 'Fletcher' or other period ships to do a re-enactment for us😁
Young at heart 😉 Slightly older in other places.😊 Cheers Doug
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#40

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That is a very thorough explanation of the whole thing

Did you know GCHQ still has a colossus in its inventory - not sure if it’s an original one or a replacement that was built to see if they could
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#39

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So, back from a delicious dinner with Gisela😋😋😋

PAt Re:
"It was the Lorenze machine that was cracked with the first electronic computer built by Tommy Flowers .."
Actually the Lorenz machine, a high security teleprinter cipher machine ordered by the German Army, was cracked BY HAND! By a team led by Bill Tutte and without ever seeing the machine until the end of the war!
The Lorenz used obscuring characters to hide the message. An additive system devised by in 1918 by Gilbert Vernam. Example-
Message character is A. Machine adds obscuring character C, transmitted output is F.
At TX: A C = F, at RX: F C = A and so on.

Brigadier John Tiltman, one of the top codebreakers in Bletchley Park, took a particular interest in these enciphered teleprinter messages. Tiltman knew of the Vernam system and soon identified these messages as being enciphered in the Vernam manner.

Because the Vernam system depended on addition of characters, Tiltman reasoned that if the operators made a mistake and used the same Lorenz machine starts for two messages (a depth), then by adding the two cipher texts together character by character, the obscuring character sequence would disappear. He would then be left with a sequence of characters each of which represented the addition of the two characters in the original German message texts. For two completely different messages it is virtually impossible to assign the correct characters to each message. Just small sections at the start could be derived but not complete messages.

Again German operators helped! Against strict orders they reset their machines to the same start sequence when required to repeat a message which was badly received.
Obscuring characters were generated according to a pseudo random sequence, pseudo implying a repetition period. The repeated message, with some minor changes, short cuts made by the sending operator, gave some clues.
Tutte tried various repetition periods until he found the one setting that decoded the 4000 character message by writing out all the bit patterns of each of the 5 channels (5 bit Baudot code) of the teleprinter.

Then over the next two months Tutte and other members of the Research section worked out the complete logical structure of the cipher machine (Pic 1). Remember; NOT having seen the physical machine.
Post Office Research Labs at Dollis Hill were asked to produce an implementation of the logic worked out by Bill Tutte & Co.
Frank Morrell produced a rack of uniselectors and relays which emulated the logic (Pic 2). It was called "Tunny". So now when the manual code breakers at Bletchley had laboriously worked out the settings used for a particular message, these settings could be plugged up on Tunny and the cipher text read in. But this all took several weeks, by which time the message was stale and useless.

Speeding things up😀
The mathematician Max Newman now came on the scene. He thought that it would be possible to automate some parts of the process for finding the settings used for each message.
He approached TRE at Malvern to design an electronic machine to implement the double-delta method of finding wheel start positions which Bill Tutte had devised. The machine was built at Dollis Hill and was known as Heath Robinson after the cartoonist designer of fantastic machines. There were problems with Heath Robinson keeping two paper tapes synchronised at 1,000 characters per second. One tape had punched on to it the pure Lorenz wheel patterns that the manual code breakers had spent weeks laboriously working out. The other tape was the intercepted enciphered message tape.
THEN-
THIS is where Tommy Flowers came in Pat.
Heath Robinson worked well enough to show that Max Newman's concept was correct. Newman then went to Dollis Hill where he was put in touch with Tommy Flowers, the brilliant Post Office electronics engineer. Flowers went on to design and build Colossus to meet Max Newman's requirements for a machine to speed up the breaking of the Lorenz cipher.
Tommy Flowers' major contribution was to propose that the wheel patterns be generated electronically in ring circuits thus doing away with one paper tape and completely eliminating the synchronisation problem.

Cutting a long story 'sidevays😁'-
Colossus design started in March 1943. By December 1943 all the various circuits were working and the 1,500 valve Mark 1 Colossus was dismantled, shipped up to Bletchley Park, and assembled in F Block over Christmas 1943 (Pic 3). The Mark 1 was operational in January 1944 and successful on its first test against a real enciphered message tape.
Colossus reduced the message decoding time from several weeks to a few hours.
But it did not in itself break the coding system. It effectively used the knowledge gained by hand by Bill Tutte &Co. From first reception of Lorenz messages to fast, operationally useful decoding four years elapsed, 1940-44.

For more info and tech detail see links below.
Cheers All, Doug😎

https://www.codesandciphers.org.uk/lorenz/index.htm

https://www.codesandciphers.org.uk/lorenz/colossus.htm
Young at heart 😉 Slightly older in other places.😊 Cheers Doug
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#38

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Best ever naval battle move is “Greyhound” starring Tom Hanks
Hanks plays captain of. Fletcher class destroyer who is protecting a convoy crossing the Atlantic in WWII. It is only on Apple TV but you can buy the DVD on AMAZON. It not expensive and absolutely worth what you pay for it. It very authentic and action packed. Has great shots of Flowet class corvette in action. A real thriller!
The sure way to succeed is, just try one more time
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#37

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I still have 2 films in the bag.
But not so much to do with sea battles.
But I thought they were great.
"The Needle" with Donald Sutherland
And "Like a Light in a Dark Night" with Michael Douglas and Melanie Griffith👍
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#36

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On a side note there has been several docu's produced by the BBC all filmed and Directed by a guy call Chris Terrill - the latest one he did was about the QEII (The carrier not the Cruise liner).

But this guy completed the Royal Marines Commando Qualifying course at the age of 55 and was awarded his Green Berrie and made an Honory Royal Marine, you got to take your fat off to someone that can do that.
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#35

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Not a film but there was a BBC series of Docuemetaries on in the 70's call Submarine - the First Episode and second Episode followed the Perisher Course (Submarine Commanding Officers course - a very very hard professional course that is either pass or leave the submarine service altogether)
The second was following one of the SSN an excercise and the last two Epsodes where on a Bomber on patrol(note I say a Bomber not a boomer)
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#34

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I know the Hunt For Red October caused a lot of constenation in the British MOD - I think Tom Clancy was a brillient author - there was talk that he had connections with the CIA.
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#33

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Didn't Kapitan Lemp vanish whilst trying to swim to the RN ship that sunk his ship?
If it don't fit, use a hammer to make it fit....
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#32

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The Caine Mtiny produced a brilliant performance from Humphrey Bogart as Commander Queeg. And whilst we are on Humphreu Bogart, we mustn't forget The African Queen, a masterful performance from Bogart and Cathrine Hepburn. AQ was set in WW1 so technically a war movie. I will now loudly blow my own trumpet and add a a video of the AQ I built about 12 years ago...

If it don't fit, use a hammer to make it fit....
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#31

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The Hunt For Red October, Sean Connery, is another good'n.
Based (loosely?) on an actual incident concerning the Soviet Baltic Fleet?

😎
Young at heart 😉 Slightly older in other places.😊 Cheers Doug
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#30

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No Pat,
I hadn't forgotten any of that!
I believe that the machine the Poles cracked was an Army version.
The Navy version from U110 which Alan Turing and his team cracked at Bletchley Park was a significantly improved and more complicated model.
Capture of the codebooks from U110, and the laziness of some operators in not changing the day code regularly, helped enormously.
The results of decoding became known as ULTRA signals.

There was another incident with a U Boat forced to the surface.
An RN Lt, took a party aboard to salvage an Enigma and codebooks and anything else of interest. The machine was salvaged but the boat went down taking the Lt. with it.

BTW The commander of U 110 was Kapitänleutnant Lemp. Who with U30 sank the SS Athenia on the first day of the war.

😎
Young at heart 😉 Slightly older in other places.😊 Cheers Doug
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#29

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Hi Doug. Yes, the Bedford incident is a great movie, I first saw it at school film club around 1968, when the "cold war" was still very much a thing. The backstage area in the school hall was turned into a makeshift cinema. I have watched it several times since.
If it don't fit, use a hammer to make it fit....
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#26

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Hi Nick.
I think you mean 'The Enemy Below'.
Starring Robert Mitchum as the tenacious captain of a Destroyer Escort and Curd Jürgens as the disillusioned commander of a U Boat, determined to make his rendezvous with a 'Milchkuh' supply submarine so that he and his crew could then go home.

It's also one of my top Naval films. Right up there with 'The Bedford Incident', starring Richard Widmark and Sydney Poitier, for tension and suspense.

Cheers, Doug😎
Young at heart 😉 Slightly older in other places.😊 Cheers Doug
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#24

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Doug

The British were very unhappy when the film was released - but lets not forget be it a less sophisticated devices it was the Polish that cracked the Enigma before the war.

The Bristish Crypto analyst just took it a a new level and speed - note this was not cracked by an electronic computer it was cracked with an electro mechanical machine called the Bombe.

It was the Lorenze machine that was cracked with the first electronic computer built by Tommy Flowers a GPO engineer ATM I cant remember whether Lorenze was a 8 or 10 wheel machine.
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#22

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Pat.
Our cousins can be happy that the USN did capture an Enigma (in fact two I believe).
But that was from U505 in June 1944. It did help to understand some new developments, like an extra code wheel.
But it was not the crucial capture made by Operation Primrose from U110 in May 1941.
The events of which were VERY loosely depicted in the U571 film.
The real U571 was never involved in any such incident.
To me 'U571' is a Hollywood example of 'stolen valour'.

Cheers, Doug😎
Young at heart 😉 Slightly older in other places.😊 Cheers Doug
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#21

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What was the movie where Kirk Douglas rammerd Jurt Jurgen's U boat? That was a decent film..
If it don't fit, use a hammer to make it fit....
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#20

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I agree with Doug. The first people to swipe an Enigma machine were the Poles (it was, I think, invented by a Polish chap). UK also captured several machines from German weather ships and even a weather station in the Arctic. but, on May 9, 1941, HMS Bulldog disabled and captured U-110 in the North Atlantic, netting a complete set of code books and a machine. Another breakthrough came in 1942 when the British captured a four-rotor machine from U-559, after it was boarded by the crew of HMS Petard. The Americans had to wait until 1944 for their Enigma capture when they caught U505, now a museum ship in Chicago.
If it don't fit, use a hammer to make it fit....
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#18

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In a word Pat - Crap!
And an insult to the memory of Sub Lt David Balme and the men of Operation Primrose.

Doug.
Young at heart 😉 Slightly older in other places.😊 Cheers Doug
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#17

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Let’s liven the discussion up a little bit - this should be interesting - U571 - comments please
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#11

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DUE SOUTH: MOUNTIE ON THE BOUNTY

2 parter TV show
A murdered sailor. a hundred million in gold bullion, a ghost ship and a reproduction of the HMS BOUNTY on the Great Lakes⛵⛵
Force nothing, waste nothing, leave nothing undone
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#10

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If you like comedy - ther used to be a Radio Program called the Navy Lark but there was one film made of the same title - I think I have a DVD Rip of it somewher I also have a Rip of Wind
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