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jbkiwi
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SMOKER (OF SORTS) TESTING IN THE HSL
A fan powered smoke unit (modified Heng Long) tried in the HSL. Not particularly good but it's output is reasonably scale(ish). As the fan (12v comp snail fan) just blows into the back of the smoke box without any positive connection, a fair bit of smoke escapes into the engine bay. The fan is hooked up to run with the cooling pump and is left on while running after the smoke (on off remote from the rotary switch) is turned off, and blows the residual smoke from the engine bay out the exhausts.

There are also the 2 small air pumps plumbed into the exhaust outlets via venturi pipe inserts, to blow the water out of the exhausts, (just on the waterline) as any water stops the smoke coming out (surface tension holds it in the pipe). Once I find a decent high volume small quiet air pump, I can do away with these and the fan, which should make things a bit better.
I've ordered some small 12v 40W printer elements to try another smoker idea, but they will be a while coming. Smoke will only be on for startup so shouldn't be too much of a problem.

I've almost become water/vaporlogged/glycerogged with all these experiments, and the other night I actually set off the smoke detectors,- house smells like a glycerine factory for hours afterwards,- but my skin's getting really smooth😂😂😂😂
JB
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  • NerysFleet Admiral
    Is there any reason why fourteen posts under the heading 'My Collection' have been placed in this thread with various titles pertaining to Smokers and Smoke Machines. Very confusing and basically removes a number of posts regarding an excellent collection of models that have now been lost in a completely unrelated thread. If there is a legitimate reason for this which I haven't seen, then I apologise.

    Nerys
  • jbkiwiFleet Admiral
    Noticed that myself Nerys, perhaps he posted it in the smoke thread by mistake, and everyone just followed along? No idea really, - strange things happen occasionally here!
    JB
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jbkiwi
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SMOKE MACHINE MODEL X- NEW! FROM SMOKE R&D (SOMETHING COMPLETELY DIFFERENT !?)
This is the top of the line, premium, top grade, no expense spared, gold standard, fully reverse flowed liquid converter. Assembled by skilled Latvian craftsmen using quality hammers and pick axes, and working in the most modern up to date farm sheds. We at Smoke R&D, present the Smoker Model X - "A smoker for the discerning modeler" (said Botswana Model Monthly)
JB, Head Sherang, Smoke R&D.
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  • Martin555Fleet Admiral
    Jb,
    Looking at all of your experiments it definitely looks as though you are really enjoying yourself.

    Model X is a very nice unit.
    In my opinion the best yet.

    Martin555.
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  • redpmgCommodore
    No comment jb!
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jbkiwi
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MORE SMOKE USING 2 AIR PUMPS ON THE ALLOY SMOKE BOX
Still waiting for a better air pump so thought I'd try whacking 2 pumps on and upping the voltage from 2 to 2.5V Works a lot better but smoke still a bit slow. If I blow gently into the air tube I get massive clouds of smoke (hence the need for a better pump) Sorry about the crappy vid,- camera lens has a cloudy spot and not so good inside.
JB
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  • Martin555Fleet Admiral
    Jb,
    It is a little difficult to see the smoke against the wood bench top.
  • jbkiwiFleet Admiral
    re - It's mainly the lens which is a bit cloudy Martin . I scratched it and tried to polish it out, DUH! Need a better vid cam.
    Might do some more on a sunny day. Certainly puts out some serious smoke though!
    JB
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jbkiwi
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EXHAUST SMOKE WORKING IN THE HSL
Managed to get a smoker fitted in the HSL and it works reasonably well. Would have used a small ESC to vary the smoke etc but have run out of channels on the 6ch TX (also room). Could use my 9X TX but would have to mod the elevator to a throttle (for twin set-up) I could use the TX to program smoke advance etc using the curve facility. Might do that later as I mainly use my Futaba 6ex and 9XR for my planes and hardly use the 9X, (even though it's a good radio).
JB
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  • RNinMunichFleet Admiral
    Now dat's bedda!👍😁
    😎
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  • jbkiwiFleet Admiral
    But Wait Doug , there's more pollution devices coming 😁!😮☹️
    JB
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jbkiwi
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MORE SMOKER STUFF 2
Trying air injection to break up the water flow. The air pumps I ordered finally arrived a week late but are too small to be of much use. I need a much bigger and faster volume of air to achieve what I want, which is for the water to almost be sprayed out in a mist. Might need to mod the water outlet by fitting fine tubes or stoppers around the inner smoke tube to build up a bit of back pressure, which might be another alternative
Unfortunately, as I've said before, you can't scale water, due partly to surface tension etc (why it either drips or runs out of a small pipe), so to make it fine you have to pressurize/vaporise it at the point of exit (ie garden sprayer) which is the hard part on a small scale. Lots of fun trying to perfect it though, and it keeps me out of trouble, and keeps the brain working - (although it's just asked for a pay rise due to all the work it's been doing lately!😂)

Tip,- if you run both videos at once you can see the difference between this and the last vid. It also breaks the smoke up.
JB
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  • jbkiwiFleet Admiral
    If only I was that clever Martin! unfortunately he had terminal sickness in 2008😴 He did 40yrs+
    of comedy so he didn't have a bad run and made a lot of people happy😊
    some of his quotes-

    Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.

    Have you ever noticed that anybody driving slower than you is an idiot, and anyone going faster than you is a maniac?

    There are nights when the wolves are silent and only the moon howls.

    Inside every cynical person, there is a disappointed idealist.

    Here's all you have to know about men and women: women are crazy, men are stupid. And the main reason women are crazy is that men are stupid.

    The main reason Santa is so jolly is because he knows where all the bad girls live.

    Don't sweat the petty things and don't pet the sweaty things.

    Weather forecast for tonight: dark. Continued dark overnight, with widely scattered light by morning.

    Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the moments that take our breath away.

    Just cause you got the monkey off your back doesn't mean the circus has left town.
    JB
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  • Martin555Fleet Admiral
    You have come out with a few one liners yourself in the past that have made me laugh!
    Love the weather forecast!!

    Martin555.
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jbkiwi
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MORE SMOKER STUFF
Just trying a few more things while waiting for more bits to arrive. This time using a small ESC for the smoke, and using CH 6 (rotary pot) on the TX. Water is adjustable with the voltage reg but could be hooked to the motor ESC as well, with a voltage reg used to set max flow. I'm just using the Heng long smoker box (modified) for this test.
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jbkiwi
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YET ANOTHER SMOKER VERSION
Using the e-cig element in the alloy box again but with the old smoker pump bored out and converted to a single outlet in line with the piston. Even makes a cool sound out the exhaust side!. Still waiting for my air pumps so just playing around in the mean time. Also trying glycerin and water 50/50 instead of baby oil. The pump doesn't shift much air ( slightly more blowing than sucking, - sort of pulsing back and forward) but if I blow down a tube I get clouds of smoke, I'll see what the air pumps do. Still only running on 2v.
JB
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  • NerysFleet Admiral
    Hi JB, That's interesting about the Dutch Girl, wonderful trip. I know about the Welsh settlements in Patagonia of course. Many of them are very proud of their ancestry. I was at the International Eisteddfod in Llangollen a few years ago and an official party from Welsh Patagonia were there as an official delegation.

    I agree with you about the shops and what gets us is the scripted speech from the till assistant, 'can I help you with your packing, do you need bags? do you have a store card' and so it goes on. Try and enquire about something or ask for information and more often than not, they just bluster and cannot answer. No proper training or product knowledge at all. But this is it, the modern world, one often gets the impression that the government wants a populace of ignorant easily manipulated sheep, who will believe anything they are fed.

    All the best, Nerys
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  • jbkiwiFleet Admiral
    RE - Jb, Red, Although I agree, you must watch your blood pressure.

    Don't worry Martin, a good whinge helps to relieve pressure😂😊
    JB
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Graham93
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Another Exhaust Smoker V2
Made a few changes to the pulsing frequency/timing, and to the plumbing where the smoke is mixed with the water. Video shows the pulsing speeding up with throttle setting. Happy with this now, I can adjust the volume of smoke once it is installed in the boat. Probably will need less, but it is difficult to be sure as conditions on the lake are different to those in my workshop!

Graham93
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  • Graham93Vice Admiral
    JB,

    Re: I was wondering if adding propylene glycol might make a difference.

    Don’t know what effect this would have. I’ll be interested to hear what happens if you try it. I find I have plenty of smoke using plain vegetable glycerine and I can increase or decrease it by adjusting the power to the smoker coil.
    Graham93
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  • Graham93Vice Admiral
    Hi Doug,

    Re:Had a look on the Microchip site, basic kit not too expensive but, as so often, the stuff you need to make it work well ain't so cheap☹️

    I just use the PICKit2, which was cheap, and the free development software. The software lets you run a simulator on the PC where you can monitor your code, single step, set a breakpoint, etc. You can also monitor and change variable values. Some of the more sophisticated PIC16f chips allow you to debug your code running in the target hardware using the PICKit2 as the debug interface to your PC.

    Graham93
jbkiwi
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Smoker test 8 E-Cig version
This version of a smoker box uses an E-Cig element in an alloy electronics enclosure.I gave the lid and box a 7mm haircut on the mill to reduce the size, (now 50x50x26, - was 50x50x33) but it could still be 1/2 the width. haven't found a smaller alloy box yet but might come across one, (only really needs to be 35mmx35mmx25mm The element is mounted on a bracket screwed to the bottom of the box (the box being the resevoir and neg) and against the outlet tube, and the pos wire runs through the side (in silicone tube) to the element.

The box is packed with cotton wool which is surrounding the element and soaked in smoke fluid (in this case baby oil) but leaving a passage through the center for air flow. I'm waiting for a couple of air pumps to arrive but I've used the old smoker unit pump again to demo the smoke and pulsing, (makes good smoke rings too)😊

The element is capable of taking 4.5v, but I'm only using 2v for the test and it smokes quite well. The pump is running on 7v but can be varied from around 3v - 8v. The large tubes are to allow for later exhaust fitting (water or dry stack). Once I get the air pumps I'll be running this one with the water again. I've done this (like Grahams version to be able to easily replace the element as the Heng Long smokers, while working ok (but noisy) have non replaceable elements, so if you kill one, it's off to file 13 at the end of the bench😉😁

The pump actually works quite well and if you mount it on sponge rubber it is reasonably quiet and could still be useful in a boat with a bit of interior room.
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  • Colin HFleet Admiral
    Super, I will be watching this with great interest. When the final version is finished I would like a set of diagrams and instructions. Or I could place an order for a dozen units.
    Cheers Colin.
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  • jbkiwiFleet Admiral
    Are you thinking of filling your collection with smoke devices now Collin?😊
    JB
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Graham93
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Another Exhaust Smoker
Inspired by jbkiwi's experiments on a smoker, and interested in developing one for my Crash Tender I have built an experimental rig based on using an e-cig for the smoke generator and an air pump. The air pump is driven by an electronic lash-up which pulses the pump at a rate depending on the throttle setting. The video shows two tests, first with the water off, then with it on.
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  • Graham93Vice Admiral
    Hi Elsrickle,

    Re: Can you give me more info on the electronic lash up you have made for the pulse circuit working from the motor speed control and the electric circuits for the e cig and pump.

    The attached drawing shows a block diagram of the electronics. The 'smoke pulse generator' is a PIC10f220 microchip programmed to measure the pulse width of the throttle channel from the receiver. This width is used within the PIC to generate an output signal which is in effect the on/off waveform for the air pump driving the smoker to produce smoke pulses. The higher the throttle setting, the shorter the off time of this output signal and hence the more frequent the smoke pulses. This signal is connected to the PWM speed controller to control the pump speed. In the first iteration of the circuit, the PWM speed control circuit was built with two 555 timer chips and a bunch of discrete components. The second iteration, put together today, replaces the 555 timers and all the discrete components with a second PIC10f220 chip.

    I'm still working on the settings and timings for these circuits adjusting the pulse widths, pump minimum and maximum speeds, etc to try and get a more realistic effect.

    Graham93
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  • ElsrickleWarrant Officer
    Thanks for the info. Afraid the programming of the chip a bit much for me, the timers circuits not a problem have used them before with success. However enjoying the progress of the smokers you doing a good job
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jbkiwi
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Smoker test 6 - pulsing the smoke
Using the modified fan forced Heng Long smoker box, and a dead unit pump to pulse the smoke. This version is a 'dry stack one', which would look good on tugs and work boats. Still working on perfecting the 'wet' version.
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  • redpmgCommodore
    Told you to get on with a new project before you sank the ship........ Interesting that Bluebottle is still around - so which one are you ??????? Next thing you will be talking about Iceland Parrots (aka wheels-up) . What were you putting in the smoker ..............
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  • jbkiwiFleet Admiral
    Hi Peter, if you meant what am I using for the smoke,it's baby oil, or if you meant what am I putting this system in - nothing as yet. have to reduce the size, but I could fit it in the Fairacre or the Maiami as I have enough room in both to fit something.
    JB
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jbkiwi
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EXHAUST SMOKER MKIV WATER PULSING
Found a way of pulsing the water using the pump of a dead smoker (Hen Long smoker that is) In this test I used a pump to prime the smoker pump (smoker pump on 2s) and the rest is just syphoning through the pump to the smoker. You can vary the amount of 'spitting' from the exhaust by running the pump at low voltage or maybe using a peristaltic pump with a small flow.

I did not connect the fan powered smoker unit as I ran out of silicone tube, but the result should be the same as the last vid but with 'spitting' water. Using the smoker pump for water is not perfect as it would need sealing properly, and it's cumbersome, but you will get the idea. I have ordered a couple of small air pumps, so might have another crack when they come. I'll use them at the exhaust to disrupt the water flow if they are powerful enough, rather than use the smoker pump.
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  • jbkiwiFleet Admiral
    Re - As the saying goes good one Cyril
    Thanks peter, not quite perfect but it's certainly heading in the right direction. At least it might get people thinking about something different to try with their boats, which if tuned right, might give them extra Brownie points at the pond. Would also be even better with a good sound unit! I'm sure someone will come up with a good idea to refine it sooner or later, (probably on the long drop at 2 in the morning!😁😂!) If I can refine it more, I'll post the results.
    JB
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  • SakibianChief Petty Officer 2nd Class
    Where to get those water pumps?

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