Well its taken about a month mailing lots and lots of e-mail's I now have planes of a Norfolk Keel from @norfolk.gov.uk
named "Dee Dar" built about 1790 and was reshaped twice and sunk 1890 she was 54ft 55ft and about 18ft wide with a 3ft hull
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Well its taken about a month mailing lots and lots of e-mail's I now have planes of a Norfolk Keel from @norfolk.gov.uk
named "Dee Dar" built about 1790 and was reshaped twice and sunk 1890 she was 54ft 55ft and about 18ft wide with a 3ft hull
Very pleased to hear that you have managed to acquire the plans for a Norfolk Keel. Is she very much different to the Humber variety? I know that they carried the squaresail like a Humber, but did they ever stretch to the topsails and topgallants?
proper Norfolk Keels and NOT Humber Keels
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well plans enlarged and drawn but looks like i might have to redraw them as they don't look right i just wonder if the plans i have might be as the ship was found and not built so will tweek the plans remember she sat for about 100 years as a bank support filled with dirt/sand/stone
well plans enlarged and drawn but looks like i might have to redraw them as they don't look right i just wonder if the plans i have might be as the ship was found and not built so will tweek the plans remember she sat for about 100 years as a bank support filled with dirt/sand/stone
Yes Jacko, the lines you have are most likely of the keel as she was found, so I am sure you are quite able to fill them out and make them look more realistic. I look forward to hearing all about what I am sure will be a very interesting build.
No doubt you have studied the plans of the Humber Keels quite thoroughly. Are they in your opinion very much different from what you can conceive from you newly acquired Norfolk Keel plan. I can't imagine there is a lot of difference, so wouldn't it help to use what you know of the Humbers when redrawing the plan for the Norfolk.
Norfolk keel and a Humber keel totally different in size and shape so unable to use
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I bow to your superior knowledge of keels, Jacko, both Norfolk and Humber. Thank you for posting plans of both types, very interesting. I wish you luck in building your project.
well I have started first build using off cuts of 1/8 ply to see if the plans work out and I can correct modify them if needed
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looking for help when I get to sail control, building single square rigged keel asking best way to do this run 4 lines or AB CD
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I think you will need two servos, with a sheet and line going to the end of the yard on each side. You will be able to join these together so that you only have one line going to each servo. I base this on my knowledge of Thames Barges where the main sheet and the vang (A line going to the top end of the sprit) are joined and come to a servo. With a square sail this will have to be duplicated in order to give the sail a decent shape. The real keel would have had separate lines, a sheet on each side and lines going to each end of the yard. You can probably make this out in your photos.
so it starts this is it so for next will be starting the planking this has been a pain so far in just trying to get the info on a boat built in 1888 and local to 1 region of the UK the Norfolk Archaeological unit have been a great help, so here is a bow / stern shot of progress
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so it starts this is it so for next will be starting the planking this has been a pain so far in just trying to get the info on a boat built in 1888 and local to 1 region of the UK the Norfolk Archaeological unit have been a great help, so here is a bow / stern shot of progress
That's probably the best photo I've seen of a Norfolk Keel, amazingly clear. Should be a great help to you. You were lucky to get hold of that. The rigging details are good too.
Looking at your keel again, I think it very interesting that the hull side planks finish in the gunwhales rather than the stem. I vaguely remember a racing dinghy, many years ago, like that and they were reverse clinker. Looking at the rigging, it looks as if the mast is more or less amidships with a tackled forestay and backstay, I wonder if the mast would lower down both ways? Looks as if she is loading bundles of reeds. I note that the man in the small boat laying alongside is sculling with one oar over the stern. Interesting that there's a cabin top at the forward end rather than the stern.
just found a nice clear photo of a keel this will provide me with a better view of the bow section which as missing
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started and more on the keel's keel note how the planking finishes on the hull
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Cheers, Nerys