Getting ready to re-start this airboat after 10 yrs of it sitting under the house. Will be fast electric and fully fiberglassed. I will be able to make use of the large estuary just down from my place and will build in camera mounts for off shore photography etc, and perhaps fit it with FPV.
Hull is 3mm marine ply.
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Getting ready to re-start this airboat after 10 yrs of it sitting under the house. Will be fast electric and fully fiberglassed. I will be able to make use of the large estuary just down from my place and will build in camera mounts for off shore photography etc, and perhaps fit it with FPV.
Hull is 3mm marine ply.
"I have got it ! Just cut the wings off of one of the Vampires fit floats instead of wheel and hand back the tea tray to your aunt and that it, job done LOL!!!!!"
Bin there dun that Martin😁
Then it looks much like this pic. Very versatile model.
The wings bolt on so you can 'drive' it as a hydroplane / surface effect plane with stub wings or as a fully fledged hairyplane😊
Cheers, Doug 😎
"milliseconds away from exploding - never seen a battery so hot -"
Ouch!
One lives and learns - and hopefully still lives!
Another one for the "Don't try this because ..." list.
Can't imagine how you had 'em connected but somehow the 'device' either put 'em in parallel or shorted the littl'n😮
Main thing, you lived to tell the tale😊👍
😎
It's now a tea tray with a cup holder😊 perhaps later a fast tea trolley?
JB
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"Tethered the Police boat once with a large accurate scale - was shattered by the huge amount of thrust produced "
Did the same with my brushless upgraded Sea Scout Red using a spring fish scale.
Was astounded to read 2kg. Repeated with a digital scale to cross-check, same result give or take a gram or two.
Since the boat weighs 1.8kg all up if I could get it to produce 2kg thrust in air it could theoretically go straight up like a rocket😮
😎
Just a few partitions cut for the radio box and front 2 sections, and a final bottom section for the bow. Cut a try-out cockpit profile as well, whole cockpit will eventually be the lift off battery and radio waterproof cover. Might fill the sections with poly foam to make it unsinkable as well, although all the sections will be sealed, so probably won't need it. Probably is going to weigh around 5.5-6lbs all up which should keep it on the water.
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Just a few partitions cut for the radio box and front 2 sections, and a final bottom section for the bow. Cut a try-out cockpit profile as well, whole cockpit will eventually be the lift off battery and radio waterproof cover. Might fill the sections with poly foam to make it unsinkable as well, although all the sections will be sealed, so probably won't need it. Probably is going to weigh around 5.5-6lbs all up which should keep it on the water.
Motor mount and mount plate started. Mount will be glued to base plate and side braced with brass strip or similar. Mount plate will be screwed to rear beams through deck and will be removable.
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Motor mount and mount plate started. Mount will be glued to base plate and side braced with brass strip or similar. Mount plate will be screwed to rear beams through deck and will be removable.
Hope you are going to put a big shield over that JB - looks like a pretty mean prop to tangle with - of course with an airboat you can run it on wet grass - you would have to get up early to catch the dew of course - not stay up till the wee hours............
Hi Peter, I'm used to keeping the mitts out of the way, having had planes for 44 yrs but I had thought of installing a strong mesh loop (from deck over) just for added security. The older you get the more dopey you get, so its probably a good idea. This motor could take your finger off easily (1600w on 6s.- or 2.1HP ), even the little 28mm outrunners on foam deltas have been known to mangle a few fingers hand launching,😮😭 (pusher props)
Most of the damage to my fingers over the years has been from compression locks on glow engines while hand starting, have some good scars from those, (made a special glove in the end). Only got hit once with a .45 at idle and that smarted, ( chops and bruises at the same time)☹️. Never did it again. That's one good thing about electrics, -no starting needed,- but the have their own dangers, ie unintentional/ un-commanded starting which can be nasty!
You are right, good thing about airboats is the ability to run them on anything slippery😊
JB
Motor mount glued up (West system and filler) and airflow cutouts made for better cooling flow (these motors can get hot). Waiting for a day or so for glue to go hard enough to finish sand, then appropriate mount holes will be drilled and the whole thing resin coated. Was going to be in a pusher configuration (3 blade shown is a glow pusher prop) but in the interests of cooling and rudder mounting simplicity, it will be first set up as a tractor. Would do it otherwise, but can't get any bits at the moment. Was going to go for a scale caged pusher set-up with a wire frame mount, seat etc, but as this motor plate is just a screw on unit it could be done later.
This set-up is just a 'see how it goes first' job to find the best motor.
About 1966 I made a small balsa free running air-boat, with a DC Spitfire diesel which ran really well, and was heaps of fun. If it rained hard you could look for a 'lake' on a playing field and have hours of fun.
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Motor mount glued up (West system and filler) and airflow cutouts made for better cooling flow (these motors can get hot). Waiting for a day or so for glue to go hard enough to finish sand, then appropriate mount holes will be drilled and the whole thing resin coated. Was going to be in a pusher configuration (3 blade shown is a glow pusher prop) but in the interests of cooling and rudder mounting simplicity, it will be first set up as a tractor. Would do it otherwise, but can't get any bits at the moment. Was going to go for a scale caged pusher set-up with a wire frame mount, seat etc, but as this motor plate is just a screw on unit it could be done later.
This set-up is just a 'see how it goes first' job to find the best motor.
About 1966 I made a small balsa free running air-boat, with a DC Spitfire diesel which ran really well, and was heaps of fun. If it rained hard you could look for a 'lake' on a playing field and have hours of fun.
Have had a Sullivan starter since the 70s Peter, (still have it) but tend not to use it on painted spinners as it destroys the paint. Also if you get a compression lock they tend to chew nylon spinners up, plus the silicone rubber inserts can be difficult to find at times. If you have a motor tuned properly you can actually bounce the prop clockwise (go just over compression clockwise and flick it clockwise) and they will kick back and start (usually,- with correct fuel and throttle settings). Generally only old motors and some stubborn ones need a starter. The first OS 4 stroke .60 I bought in 1978 recommended that clockwise method.
Only take my motor collection out and run them about once every year or so, then fill them up with oil and store them again. Gives me something to do if I get bored.😁 Still have about 9 to play with but I doubt they will be put in any of my planes again.
Yup Doug, we have some strange wee beasties down here, Weta, Kiwi, Kakapo, Tuatara, giant snails -did have some 12ft tall Moa but the Maori ate them all😴 The Aussies have giant jumping rabbits with pouches, giant guinea pigs, a thing which can't make up its'mind if it's a duck or a beaver and 2 smaller versions of our Moa, one being the most dangerous bird on the planet, a spiky thing which doesn't know if it's a bird or a giant jumping rabbit, and tree climbing teddy bears etc, so furry ducks ain't all that unusual down this neck of the woods😁😉
JB
Motor mount (thrust angle adjustable) finished and wiring and radio gear hooked up. Have to make rudder and fit servo and rudder linkage. ESC is 80A and should be sufficient for the motor. Will have to buy a 3 blade tractor prop once the stores open again, or make do with a 2 blade. No BEC on this ESC so a UBEC was fitted with power taken off ESC battery wires, (do this with all my planes for safety as the first thing to go in a ESC is usually the BEC in a low battery situation (unless it has a safety power reduction feature ).
Will do a power test, and once that's all good and everything's in place, I should be able to glue the deck on. Motor lead extensions are high amp fine multi strand speaker cable, which is bigger than the ESC and motor wires to allow for current loss, (we shall see). Might have to fan cool the ESC yet (will know when run) as it will be enclosed in the waterproof compartment. Will have to figure out how to get air to it, -maybe a snorkel with a cone up behind the motor and an exhaust tube up high with a venturi as well (might need to cool the battery as well).
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Motor mount (thrust angle adjustable) finished and wiring and radio gear hooked up. Have to make rudder and fit servo and rudder linkage. ESC is 80A and should be sufficient for the motor. Will have to buy a 3 blade tractor prop once the stores open again, or make do with a 2 blade. No BEC on this ESC so a UBEC was fitted with power taken off ESC battery wires, (do this with all my planes for safety as the first thing to go in a ESC is usually the BEC in a low battery situation (unless it has a safety power reduction feature ).
Will do a power test, and once that's all good and everything's in place, I should be able to glue the deck on. Motor lead extensions are high amp fine multi strand speaker cable, which is bigger than the ESC and motor wires to allow for current loss, (we shall see). Might have to fan cool the ESC yet (will know when run) as it will be enclosed in the waterproof compartment. Will have to figure out how to get air to it, -maybe a snorkel with a cone up behind the motor and an exhaust tube up high with a venturi as well (might need to cool the battery as well).
They do well here Marky - plenty sardines/pilchards to feed them and about a million cormorants - cant believe the skeins of cormorants we see miles & miles of them flying out at sea . Sea gulls also feed on Abalone poacher scraps - lots of that about too.
Made up an experimental rudder which is made from 3mm ply and covered with doped on Sig Koverall material. Leading edge has a carbon fibre tube to stiffen the ply and the base is 2 ply discs with plastic washers in between. Has a central bolt to adjust tension and play. Might not need to be so long but I can chop it down if necessary to suit. Would have made an aluminium frame with top support bracket, but can't access the hardware store to buy any. May make a dual rudder later but this should be enough to turn it easily for an initial test.
Tried the power out with a 4s 40c but 80A ESC got hot at 43A (half throttle,-motor's rated at 50A) and had too much power. Tried a 4000mah 3s with an 11" prop and that's a lot better (shoves the boat and small floor mat along at half throttle, - (about 10A) I can experiment with motors if needs be for economy, as I have a few 35 and 36 diam motors in the collection, which are quite powerful and lower kv (this is 1450kv.) The lower the revs the less noise it will make. This motor with an 8" prop on 4s would be over 100DB.
It's hard doing much when you can't get bits you need, and you're having to scrounge around through your junk boxes. Mind you it gets the pink mush working overtime😁
PS it's going to have a big fillet of epoxy at the base of the rudder for strength.
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Made up an experimental rudder which is made from 3mm ply and covered with doped on Sig Koverall material. Leading edge has a carbon fibre tube to stiffen the ply and the base is 2 ply discs with plastic washers in between. Has a central bolt to adjust tension and play. Might not need to be so long but I can chop it down if necessary to suit. Would have made an aluminium frame with top support bracket, but can't access the hardware store to buy any. May make a dual rudder later but this should be enough to turn it easily for an initial test.
Tried the power out with a 4s 40c but 80A ESC got hot at 43A (half throttle,-motor's rated at 50A) and had too much power. Tried a 4000mah 3s with an 11" prop and that's a lot better (shoves the boat and small floor mat along at half throttle, - (about 10A) I can experiment with motors if needs be for economy, as I have a few 35 and 36 diam motors in the collection, which are quite powerful and lower kv (this is 1450kv.) The lower the revs the less noise it will make. This motor with an 8" prop on 4s would be over 100DB.
It's hard doing much when you can't get bits you need, and you're having to scrounge around through your junk boxes. Mind you it gets the pink mush working overtime😁
PS it's going to have a big fillet of epoxy at the base of the rudder for strength.
Rudder base filleted for a bit more strength and rudder servo mount and rod made. Might need to fit a 2:1 servo arm in the center somewhere to get more throw, but getting a rudder angle for around an 8' circle so might be enough. Tried rudder control on the 'speed limiter' (small floor mat😁) and it will steer at 1/2 throttle, so it might be enough as is for a first try. Servo mount will be screwed in with the rear top ply plate to be removable (slides out - will have access holes in the deck for the screws)
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Rudder base filleted for a bit more strength and rudder servo mount and rod made. Might need to fit a 2:1 servo arm in the center somewhere to get more throw, but getting a rudder angle for around an 8' circle so might be enough. Tried rudder control on the 'speed limiter' (small floor mat😁) and it will steer at 1/2 throttle, so it might be enough as is for a first try. Servo mount will be screwed in with the rear top ply plate to be removable (slides out - will have access holes in the deck for the screws)
RE - So I also built one of these many years ago. It was before there were high power brushless motors
Hi C-H, the full sized boats seem to have a special 'non trip' chine from about 2/3 back (a tapering bevel) and a slight V in the hull, (only a few deg) as most of the time they are going forwards, and I guess only skilled operators with well designed boats would attempt a 180 turn! I don't suppose there are many options regarding hull shape if you are screaming over wet grass. Too much of a V would make them unstable at high speed on grass and water.
There is a way to get the best performance, by adjusting the angle of the motor to get the hull 'flying' in just the right attitude (too much up pushes bow down, too much down pushes bow up) just a matter of experimenting I guess.
Check out the airboat drags on YT, you can see some of the top designs there.
JB
Motor mount blocks glued to center rear frames, - deck and mount drilled and screwed down (temporary). Remembered I had a spare canopy from my vacuum former tests and this can be a use for it (along with the 'volunteer' kamikaze pilot). More to do yet,- waterproof radio box and battery compartment, Everdure resin preservative inside of hull, glue deck on, sand, f/glass hull and make a cockpit recess for pilot.
I was thinking of perhaps making it amphibious (like the NZ 'Sealegs' boats) but it's fairly heavy at the moment due to the solid construction. I can always chop into it later if I change my mind, and the performance is sufficient to handle a bit more weight.
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Motor mount blocks glued to center rear frames, - deck and mount drilled and screwed down (temporary). Remembered I had a spare canopy from my vacuum former tests and this can be a use for it (along with the 'volunteer' kamikaze pilot). More to do yet,- waterproof radio box and battery compartment, Everdure resin preservative inside of hull, glue deck on, sand, f/glass hull and make a cockpit recess for pilot.
I was thinking of perhaps making it amphibious (like the NZ 'Sealegs' boats) but it's fairly heavy at the moment due to the solid construction. I can always chop into it later if I change my mind, and the performance is sufficient to handle a bit more weight.
No particular reason Doug, except the cooling is better in tractor mode. Years ago I tried running a glow engine as a pusher on a test stand (as an idea for this hull) and it was impossible to get it running well, due to the prop sucking fuel back out of the carb, and the motor tending to run hot. This motor is suitable for a 90mm ducted fan and up to 6s, and gets pretty hot on full power with a 4s 40c unless you put a small prop on it
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It doesn't make a lot of difference to the performance either way round and I'll be using a 3s and bigger prop for more thrust at lower revs and running a lot cooler as well. I might make a wire frame mount later when I can get back to the shops, and then be able to turn the motor round, but as this is a front mount motor it's hard to get it compact (lengthwise), and it would have to be much further forward to allow the rudder to be close to the boat (not on a 4"outrigger.)
Really I'd need a rear mounted motor, or be able to push this motor shaft to the other side, but cant get the grub screws undone on this motor to do that.
JB
Figured out a way to fit twin rudders (had an epiphany/ eureka moment)😁 Top ply 'Y' plate yet to be screwed on to the blocks glued beneath the front of it. Red plastic tube pieces on front top of the rudders, are top grips of pins (made from thick walled spray-can inner tube, as are the bottom pins, - Martin will love that😂) which can be withdrawn to remove the rudders, (a semi gudgeon and pintle, setup). Rudders will be linked at the rear edge by the elevator horns (fitted) with a crossbar and clevises. Servo rod goes to the inner stbd rudder inner bottom front edge.
Once everything is secure I'll have another yard drifting session (maybe outside on the large berm) Hard to tell how it will go as plastic on grass is a lot more slippery than water. Should be a lot more controllable on water as there will be a bit more drag. Had to relocate the ESC as it got too hot in the bottom of the boat. I'll probably make a cover/scoop for it and waterproof it, but I'm hoping it won't get too wet up there.
Have to dremmel out a bit of a bulkhead/frame so the battery fits, and make a small battery cable extension to come forward through the rear bulkhead hole, to make plugging in easier, (will only be about 3" in length). There will be plenty of room up front for a camera now the ESC has moved out. Need to attach the RX and UBEC with Velcro and run 1 ESC servo plug extension. Soon as everything is tested I can glue the deck on and make a waterproof hatch (may need to get some sealing sponge from the hardware yet.) Deck will stiffen the whole thing up, as it's very flexible at the moment.
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Figured out a way to fit twin rudders (had an epiphany/ eureka moment)😁 Top ply 'Y' plate yet to be screwed on to the blocks glued beneath the front of it. Red plastic tube pieces on front top of the rudders, are top grips of pins (made from thick walled spray-can inner tube, as are the bottom pins, - Martin will love that😂) which can be withdrawn to remove the rudders, (a semi gudgeon and pintle, setup). Rudders will be linked at the rear edge by the elevator horns (fitted) with a crossbar and clevises. Servo rod goes to the inner stbd rudder inner bottom front edge.
Once everything is secure I'll have another yard drifting session (maybe outside on the large berm) Hard to tell how it will go as plastic on grass is a lot more slippery than water. Should be a lot more controllable on water as there will be a bit more drag. Had to relocate the ESC as it got too hot in the bottom of the boat. I'll probably make a cover/scoop for it and waterproof it, but I'm hoping it won't get too wet up there.
Have to dremmel out a bit of a bulkhead/frame so the battery fits, and make a small battery cable extension to come forward through the rear bulkhead hole, to make plugging in easier, (will only be about 3" in length). There will be plenty of room up front for a camera now the ESC has moved out. Need to attach the RX and UBEC with Velcro and run 1 ESC servo plug extension. Soon as everything is tested I can glue the deck on and make a waterproof hatch (may need to get some sealing sponge from the hardware yet.) Deck will stiffen the whole thing up, as it's very flexible at the moment.
Bin there dun that Martin😁
Then it looks much like this pic. Very versatile model.
The wings bolt on so you can 'drive' it as a hydroplane / surface effect plane with stub wings or as a fully fledged hairyplane😊
Cheers, Doug 😎
Ouch!
One lives and learns - and hopefully still lives!
Another one for the "Don't try this because ..." list.
Can't imagine how you had 'em connected but somehow the 'device' either put 'em in parallel or shorted the littl'n😮
Main thing, you lived to tell the tale😊👍
😎