Hopper Barge

Started by SimpleSailor

6 updates 41 likes 16 comments
SimpleSailor Opening post 1

Hopper Barge

A friend of mine has asked me to make him a Hopper type barge to tow behind his tug. He already has a scratch built shoe box, but it does not tow well and doesn't look the part. I will be 3D printing it and I have designed it in FreeCAD. Attached is my first attempt. I should mention that it has to fit in his transport box. It is, length-542 x beam-150 x depth-120 mm. The sections are glued together and use the 1.75mm filament as location pins. The bow section can be used as a stern.
Liked by RNinMunich and Len1 and
3 comments
  1. B rian J ames
    Petty Officer 2nd Class
    Keep it 'Simple Sailor'?, Have U tried skeg(s), aft, & or a 'yoke & or bridle' forward? 'B J', 'B'ad Dad 'J'oke???). 🤔 ( No 'Yoke' intended, let alone a pun. I'm normally very 'punny'? 🤣 All the best.
    Liked by Len1 and SimpleSailor and

Sign in to comment on this update.

New idea for printing

Having just put the barge design into the slicer and looked at the printing times which were very long (30 odd hours) I had a thought 😀. Why not print the hull in Spiralised Vase Mode. This gives one wall (0.8mm thick) on the inner and outer. It has no change of level steps as it prints a continues line and gives a very smooth surface. So the experiment goes on. The infill is only suitable for the long lengths of the hull. The stern and bow will still be normal plastic prints with infill. The infill can be 3mm ply or Balsa. Maybe ply as it will give it some weight. The hull will of course be sealed and painted.
Liked by EdW and hermank and
2 comments
  1. BOATSHED
    Captain
    Ian confused with the 3d printing, you say 30 odd hours??
    What does that add to your electric bill ??
    Liked by hermank
  2. SimpleSailorBronze
    Lieutenant
    Hi Boatshed. It is a difficult thing to quantify without putting a Watt meter in circuit with the printer. However my printer has a 300 Watt power supply. That does not mean it uses 300 Watts, it is what is available. The heated bed and the hot nozzle are controlled by a PWM (Pulse Width Modulated) signal so are not on all the time. The average power used would have to be taken. I might actually measure the AC current one day and work it out. As an estimate, if you were paying £0.26 per KWH (per 1000 watt hour) and the printer used an average of 200 Watts it would cost £0.052 per hour, so 30 hours of print time would be £1.56. For me it is about the time hanging around waiting for it to print. The cost does not bother me. I try and design my items to be robust but print fast.
    Liked by hermank

Sign in to comment on this update.

Hull ideas

While looking into hull design to reduce print time I have come up with another idea. So Fig 1. is the original idea where the ply/balsa was sandwiched between the hull walls and Fig 2. has the ply/balsa as cladding on the outside of the hull. They both take about the same amount of time to print: 2.5 hours per 50mm height. This is better than the solid plastic hull at 7.25 Hours per 50mm. It is just a case of which one would be nicer to work with.
Liked by EdW and hermank and

Sign in to comment on this update.

New blog

Having not done a build blog before I didn't realise I could have just updated this blog. However I ended up creating a new blog "Update to Hybrid Hull" so this continues there..🤔
Liked by hermank and AlessandroSPQR

Sign in to comment on this update.

Next challenge.

Having been successful with my 3D printed hull concept I have decided to make the the next project a self propelled Hopper Barge. I have just started the design work which is loosely based on the attached pictures. It works out at about 1/54 scale which is a bit odd but suites my printer. Although the pictured barge uses a 360° Schottle drive and bow thruster I will be going with a conventional inline 480 brushed motor.
Liked by Len1 and EdW and
2 comments
  1. SimpleSailorBronze
    Lieutenant
    Hi Chum444. Yes I have and I might well make that an option. I am just messing with the rudder design at the moment and have opted for a symmetrical aerofoil section with upper and lower plates. It is supposed to be very manoeuvrable and lessen cavitation. Not that cavitation would really be a problem on a thing this size.😁
    Liked by Len1 and EdW and

Sign in to comment on this update.

Caught by the Kort

Well after Chum444 suggestion I thought I would venture into Kort type nozzles. Little did I know I would be getting into such an interesting subject. So I have learned that it is not just "stick a pipe over the propeller and that will do" As always I try not to buy parts when I can use CAD and 3D. So now I have got into hydrodynamics, or at least bit of an understanding. I am used to looking at NACA (National Advisory Committee for Aeronautics) aerofoil sections as I have been designing a 3D printed sail wing. I hadn't realised they use NACA sections in Kort design (Makes sense I suppose). The pictures show where I am at. (1) is my own idea before I found out about NACA. (2) is NACA 4421 profile from a professional design, but I got the cord alignment wrong. (3) is the same with the cord aligned in the correct manner. (4) Is what I think will be the best as it is based on the diagram in picture HE-Kort (3rd from left). All will be tested.
Liked by Commodore-H and LewZ and
5 comments
  1. SimpleSailorBronze
    Lieutenant
    Hi Chum444. Are you a mind reader ?😁. I am just designing a test rig where I can measure in Kg the thrust produced. I will use the same prop in all cases and start with a none Kort as the reference. The picture is just the start. I will post the finished rig when done and eventually the results.
    Liked by Len1 and Chum444 and
  2. Chum444Silver
    Commodore
    SS; I just saw this post.Way cool idea! After you get by the esc failure your results will be very interesting. 👍👍
    Liked by Len1

Sign in to comment on this update.

That didn't end well

Here I was just testing the motor and ESC (Brushed) on the bench. All was going well, until I switched the ESC off. Then, poof it went, a cloud of white smoke coming from it and a spray of hot solder. See picture. Now the house stinks of burnt electronics (Wife not impressed). It was an Mtroniks Viper Marine 40A ESC which I have had for a number of years and has never been stressed. I don't think it ever had more than 8 Amps through it. It was also a replacement, as the first one blew up. I have never bought another. They are now £53 so it was not going to be replaced. Luckily the slow blow 10 Amp inline fuse blew otherwise I might have had a bigger problem. This was going in the Kort Nozzle test rig. So back to the drawing board. 😁 Before anyone asks. Yes it was running within spec. IE.. correct input voltage etc.....😁
Liked by Len1 and EdW and
4 comments
  1. Chum444Silver
    Commodore
    Too bad. Not altogether surprising given that
    there are at least four or five lengthy threads about problems with Mtroniks escs in a U.S. forum. Most issues related to failures when they are used with twin motors. I myself had failure problems using their escs in a twin motor application. Mtroniks replaced about four esc’s that failed. Working directly with tech support we were unable to resolve the problem; finally gave up even after optically isolating them.

    Small consolation but you are not alone…… by a long shot.
    Liked by Len1 and AlessandroSPQR and
  2. Chum444Silver
    Commodore
    Hey SS. Any progress getting operational? I mentioned you were building an ATB but what you’re building, as you previously mentioned, is a powered barge.

    This will be a very interesting build, especially when you are kindly testing two different Kort configurations.
    Liked by Len1

Sign in to comment on this update.

Delete this post?

It will be removed from the site.

Discard this draft?

Your draft will be deleted and cannot be recovered.

You have an unfinished draft

What would you like to do with it?